Apprendre à chiffrer un message avec PGP

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Très mauvaise idée ! À quoi bon chiffrer un message si c'est pour tout donner (message, clé, mdp, email) à un site dont tu ne sais rien ?
Surtout que les logiciels en interface graphique sont très faciles d'emploi, et pgp est en cli de base sur linux.
N'utilisez jamais un service en ligne pour effectuer une tâche que vous voulez confidentielle !

Je ne mets qu'un exemple par distribution :
- sur Windows :
https://www.gpg4win.org/
- sur Mac :
https://gpgtools.org/
- sur Linux :
https://www.gnupg.org/related_software/gpa/

Ce qu'est PGP :
PGP
(littéralement « confidentialité plutôt bonne » en anglais) était l’une des premières mises en œuvre populaires de la cryptographie par clé publique. Phil Zimmermann, son créateur, a écrit le programme en 1991 pour aider les activistes et autres à protéger leurs communications. Il a fait l’objet d’une enquête officielle du gouvernement américain quand le programme s’est propagé en dehors des États-Unis. Alors, l’exportation d’outils qui incluaient un chiffrement robuste par clé publique violait la loi américaine. PGP existe encore comme logiciel commercial. GnuPG (ou GPG), une mise en œuvre libre de la même norme utilisée par PGP est aussi offerte. Dans la mesure où les deux utilisent la même approche interchangeable, on parlera souvent d’utiliser une « clé PGP » ou d’envoyer un « message PGP » même si GnuPG est utilisé.

Un texte à lire pour prendre conscience des limites de ce protocole : 15 reasons not to start using PGP. Bien sûr que le titre est excessif, PGP est très utile et j'en recommande l'usage, mais il faut être conscient de ce que l'on en fait pour ne pas avoir un faux sentiment de sécurité. (un seul exemple : Enigmail stock un brouillon en clair du message chiffré.... Il faut le savoir, hein....)
 
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Les connaisseurs comme nous n'utilisons pas d'interface graphique et encore moins d'outil en ligne. Mais ce thread je ne l'ai pas fait pour les connaisseurs mais pour les débutants. Devoir à la maison pour ceux qui veulent s'initier à PGP: postez un message en utilisant ma clé publique:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.9
Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto

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=VtXo
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
 

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Code:
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

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=Ia8n
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
 

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Les connaisseurs comme nous n'utilisons pas d'interface graphique et encore moins d'outil en ligne. Mais ce thread je ne l'ai pas fait pour les connaisseurs mais pour les débutants. Devoir à la maison pour ceux qui veulent s'initier à PGP: postez un message en utilisant ma clé publique:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.9
Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto

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-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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Générer une clé
Comme @TortueTransgenre j'ai fait une clé pour l'occasion. C'est important sinon je publierai mon email et mon identité réelle, faites attention !
j'ai tapé ça :
Code:
$ gpg --generate-key
La commande me demande mon nom (Gabriel Eroï) et un identifier au format email ([email protected]).
La nouvelle clé se range dans mon "porte clé" (un dossier).
Pour vous la faire tourner je dois l'exporter. Rajoutez l'option --armor pour obtenir le format texte, sinon c'est en binaire et non copié-collable.
Code:
gpg --armor --export [email protected]
Et ça me sors ça :
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Importer une clé
J'ai copié collé la clé de @TortueTransgenre dans le fichier "TortueTransgenre.key" et ai tapé :
Code:
$ gpg --import TortueTransgenre.key
La comande me casse les pied à propos de la validité de la clé et dois confirmer. Je me retrouve avec cette clé publique dans mon trousseau et peut ajouter si je le souhaite @TortueTransgenre dans les destinataires d'un message.

Crypter un message pour un destinataire
N'oubliez pas de rajouter l'option --armor pour la sortie texte qu'on peut copier-coller.
Le segment `echo "blablabla" | ...` est une "notation" pour envoyer "blablabla" dans la commande. Sinon on écrit les données dans un fichier et on place le nom du fichier à la fin. J'ai pas envie de me faire chier donc je fais comme ça.
Code:
echo "message secret" | gpg --armor --default-key [email protected] -e -s -r [email protected] -r [email protected]
-e signifie encrypt
-r [email protected] est l'ajout d'un destinataire, on en met autant qu'on veut
-s pour ajouter ma signature (correspondant à ma clé publique [email protected])
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On peut crypter un message pour autant de destinataires que l'on souhaite, il suffit d'ajouter leur clés publiques cad qu'on répète l'option -r pour chacun d'entre eux.

Cryptage symmétrique
Un mot de passe sera utilisé pour crypter le message plutôt qu'une liste de destinataires :
Code:
$ echo "message secret" | gpg --symmetric
Une boîte de dialogue invite à saisir le mot de passe qui est (sans les guillements) : "Heil qui ?"
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-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

J'espère ne pas trop vous avoir embrouillé, je conseille vivement à tout le monde de zapper windows et à tous de s'acclimater aux consoles, surtout les jeunes !!! Vous trouverez toujours de l'aide quand vous serez emmerdés.
 

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J'ai pas accès à ma machine cette semaine, mais tu as des forums comme stackoverflow qui peuvent t'aider. Pour l'instant je peux pas faire grand chose de plus.
 

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Code:
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Effectivement il peut y avoir des problème d'encodage parfois :)

@Gabriel Eroï
Cette page pourra mieux t'aider que moi:
https://www.devdungeon.com/content/gpg-tutorial#encrypt_for_recipient
 

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Pareil, je vous donne la mienne au cas où.
Petit rappel, on la crée ainsi :
gpg --full-gen-key --expert
Code:
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je dépose également ma clef publique, au cas où.
[email protected]
Code:
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Je ne comprends rien au pgp aux clefs privés et publics en plus cela me gave
Ne rien comprendre, ok ça passe mais ne rien faire pour tenter de dépasser ce stade, c'est être comme un nègre ;)
tu as foison d'explications sur le net.
Faut tenter de dépasser ce stade, du "je ne comprends pas et cela me gonfle", surtout quand tu as des personnes qui peuvent t'aider.
https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/gnupg
 

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Ma clé publique est dans le premier spoiler du thread #6
@TortueTransgenre, @Antitermites, @jack_daniels
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Pour notre race, notre civilisation, notre descendance et pour que l'harmonie règne sur la Terre.
Il faudrait rendre fous, les juifs electriques et être de plus en plus nombreux à utiliser ce moyen de chiffrement, même pour raconter de la merde.
N'ayant aucun moyen de les lire ni de faire des Screenshots, ils attraperaient la chiasse de rage :)
 
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Il faudrait rendre fous, les juifs electriques et être de plus en plus nombreux à utiliser ce moyen de chiffrement, même pour raconter de la merde.
Oui mais sans vouloir faire dans le défaitisme il faut prendre en compte (du moins pour les organisations privées et étatiques) l'évolution des technologies quantiques qui permettent de démultiplier (très) grandement les temps de calcul, ce qui permettrait par exemple de casser des clés PRETTY good privacy en quelques secondes.
En attendant que cette technologie soit suffisament démocratisée pour l'utilisateur lambda il faut compter je dirais entre 15 et 50 ans.
Le mieux étant l'ennemi du bien, je recommande cependant d'utiliser l'encryption dès que nécessaire voire même pour du cacapostage.

En apparté je pensais à ça (pendant ma trop longue absence): n'utilisez pas la même clef PGP partout hein. Une clef pour vos méls pro, une clef pour vos activités plus souterraines...
 

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Comme un gros nazebroke j'ai égaré ma paire de clé précédente suite à une réinstallation de mon système sans avoir sauvegardé mon trousseau.
Ma nouvelle clé, donc:
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Comme un gros nazebroke j'ai égaré ma paire de clé précédente suite à une réinstallation de mon système sans avoir sauvegardé mon trousseau.
Ma nouvelle clé, donc:
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Ah oui, j'oubliais :
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Moustache

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Moustache

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Ne rien comprendre, ok ça passe mais ne rien faire pour tenter de dépasser ce stade, c'est être comme un nègre
Et le fait de s'en "vanter" ici c'est vraiment pathétique. Au pire tu poses des questions mais tu la ramènes pas comme un gros débile "muh moi pas comprendre muh pas bien".
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ça a l'air marrant.

Voici ma clé publique :

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Et voici mon message pour TortueTransgenre, à supposer que sa clé publique test n'a pas changé :

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Moustache

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Tu as chiffré avec ta clé, pas avec la mienne. :)
 
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